Hillary is Hell-Bound To make Obama lose in Nov - Scoop!

by coonbug, Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:37:01 PM EST

I just read the following news about House Democratic Whip James Clyburn saying Hillary "is hell-bound to make it impossible for Obama to win" in November,"

Read Below!  This is BIG!

http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/04 24/top-house-democrat-denounces-clinton -campaign-tactics

WASHINGTON - "Scurrilous" and "disingenuous" were among the words a top Democrat in the U.S. House of Representatives used on Thursday to describe Hillary Clinton's campaign tactics in her bid to defeat Barack Obama for their party's presidential nomination.

House Democratic Whip James Clyburn, of South Carolina and the highest ranking black in Congress, also said he has heard speculation that Clinton is staying in the race only to try to derail Obama and pave the way for her to make another White House run in 2012.

"I heard something, the first time yesterday (in South Carolina), and I heard it on the (House) floor today, which is telling me there are African Americans who have reached the decision that the Clintons know that she can't win this. But they're hell-bound to make it impossible for Obama to win" in November, Clyburn told Reuters in an interview.




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No surprise (2.00 / 0)

Rep. Clyburn decided a while ago not to support Clinton, so this is no surprise. But to give credence to these ridiculous rumours about Clinton's motives in 2012 is beyond ridiculous and ignores all of those who support her.

He's free to say what he wishes, but this is a tad over the top.


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:40:53 PM EST

Re: No surprise (2.00 / 1)

This is unfair to Clyburn, his district voted 70% Obama, he had every excuse to support him if he wanted, but he didn't.  

Just because he calls her out on behavior does not change the fact that he remained uncommited despite having every excuse not too.

Would he prefer he spoke his mind or just went to Obama?


"The best way to show that a stick is crooked is not by arguing about it or spending time denouncing it, but to lay a straight stick alongside it" -DL Moody
by nextgen on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:42:15 PM EST
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Re: No surprise (none / 0)

I would have preferred he not make ridiculous assumptions and impugn a sitting Senator's motives -- and her supporters -- like that. Having said that, he should already declare for Obama if that's what he's going to do. Why remain uncommitted at this point?


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:48:06 PM EST
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Re: No surprise (2.00 / 1)

In fact, he has not yet publicly declared if he supports Obama or Clinton.

Regardless, you may now chalk this up as another Superdelegate to Obama.

This one was over a long time ago.  Yet it's still a long time in the future before she will finally give a "graceful" concession speech.  Hopefully it isn't as hollow as her prospects.


Change is coming soon.
by jv on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:44:28 PM EST
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Re: No surprise (none / 0)

But that's exactly what's so puzzling about all this -- if he really believes this, why doesn't he just say "I'm endorsing Obama", as many others have done? I think frankly it's just so that he can point to the fact that he hasn't endorsed anyone so he can claim to be 'objective', which would be ridiculous if true.


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:40:12 AM EST
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Re: No surprise (none / 0)

Yeah you figured it out.  He waited all the way up until now just to have the element of surprise!

Are you kidding me?  

A diabolical ploy to look objective.  

You are too much.  Think before posting


Change is coming soon.
by jv on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:16:42 AM EST
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Re: No surprise (none / 0)

I did think before posting, thanks. My point still stands.


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:38:36 AM EST
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Re: No surprise (none / 0)

Your point is that he sits in the bush waiting to sabotage Clinton's chances by benefiting from the appearance of objectivity.

Don't you  think that he could equally or better assist Obama making a public declaration of his endorsement?

Not everything is "Rovian".  Not everything is a right wing conspiracy.  Not everything is an Obama ploy.  Not everything is an angle.  Not everything is calculated to undermine your candidate.

Sometimes people just speak what's on their mind without any prodding or prompting from others.  It's often the result of heartfelt sentiment.  Frankly, I am surprised that he has stayed silent so long.  


Change is coming soon.
by jv on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:08:32 AM EST
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Re: No surprise (none / 0)

Point taken, but he's not been 'silent', he has made numerous comments about Clinton before. I just think it's crass and a little presumptuous to say that 'blacks are fed up with the Clintons' because he personally doesn't like it anymore.


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 11:30:06 AM EST
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Re: No surprise (none / 0)

Agreed.  Any argument that any voting block is homogenous, wreaks of subtle racism or at best, ignorance.

But I do think his point is somewhat legitimate given the major numbers of "Black supporters" that have followed Clinton and now Obama.

While we are all free to disagree about which candidate is best for the Dems, the certainty is that Dems require Clinton and Obama "audiences" to vote for the other once the nominee is picked.


Change is coming soon.
by jv on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:02:29 PM EST
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Re: Hillary is Hell-Bound To make Obama lose (2.00 / 1)

I'm an Obama supporter, but this is unsourced and overheated speculation.  Color me unconvinced.  She's trying to win.  


Saxby Chambliss
by bosdcla14 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:41:39 PM EST

I'm an Obama supporter, but . . . (2.00 / 1)

I don't believe or give credence to any comment that starts, "I'm an Obama supporter, but . . ."  I think this is just a propaganda technique to lend more credence to Clinton talking points.


by Manic Lawyer on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:22:01 PM EST
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Re: I'm an Obama supporter, but . . . (none / 0)

You could check my diary and comment history and see that I'm being accurate.  For example, my only diary points out that the claim that Obama's making his $ from big-dollar donors is false, and all 30 of my most recent comments beside this one are either pro-Obama, pro-other Democrats, or anti-McCain.

I'm disappointed that you would accuse me of being a stealth Hillary supporter employing propaganda techniques.  You could have easily checked the accuracy of this claim but chose not to do so.  
 


Saxby Chambliss
by bosdcla14 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 12:25:19 PM EST
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Re: Hillary is Hell-Bound (2.00 / 3)

"Someone told me that Hillary was trying to spoil Obama's chance to win!!!". Did they tell him during recess, or after school? Was it at his locker? It's pretty sad when a House whip is reduced to spreading high school level gossip trying to trash someone who has done far more than he will ever dream of doing.


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:46:30 PM EST

Re: Hillary is Hell-Bound (none / 0)

This man is very well known and well respected.  He wouldn't pass along just RUMORS.


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by coonbug on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:47:55 PM EST
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too bad he just did (2.00 / 2)

and so did you, gleefully at that.
by zerosumgame on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:54:37 PM EST
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Re: Hillary is Hell-Bound (2.00 / 1)

Really. Where is the proof then? Did Sally tell him after class? Or is the only proof is that he's in Obama's pocket?


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:02:33 PM EST
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Re: Hillary is Hell-Bound (2.00 / 1)

What it's proof of is that the African-American community, the pulse of which an icon like Clyburn will have, will no doubt sit this out in large numbers should Clinton be the nominee.

Where will she make up the votes? I'm sure she has a plan right?


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:20:39 PM EST
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Re: Hillary is Hell-Bound (2.00 / 1)

Just like Obambi has a plan to make up those 52% of her voters that he loses.

Oh yeah, republican cross overs, I forgot.


by PegLeg on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:28:39 PM EST
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Re: Hillary is Hell-Bound (2.00 / 1)

So then you're unaware of how she will replace that vote?


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:32:31 PM EST
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I think that is some (2.00 / 2)

outrageous rhetoric.  I think that she would be setting herself up for a Joe Lieberman like challenge in 2012.  She doesn't want to be a pariah which would happen if she is perceived as not supporting Obama if he became the nominee.


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by Student Guy on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:50:28 PM EST

Hillary eyeing 2012? (2.00 / 1)

I wish all these people would just shut up.  I think she's still in it to win it, even though she knows the odds aren't on her side.  You'll know it when/if she's shooting for 2012.


This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring! If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!
by venavena on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:03:25 PM EST

Re: Hillary eyeing 2012? (2.00 / 1)

Clyburn is an icon of the civil rights movement. I know those guys don't have much pull around these parts and are often considered "America" haters but he's going to have the pulse of a community that Clinton will NOT get if she gets the nomination. Meaning she CAN'T win in the GE.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:18:35 PM EST
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People can say what they want (2.00 / 1)

Doesn't make it true though.


99% perspiration
by DaveOinSF on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:04:03 PM EST

Re: Hillary is Hell-Bound To make Obama lose in No (none / 0)

A) that is a massive stretch
B) ummmm nice name?
Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:09:02 PM EST

Re: Hillary is Hell-Bound (none / 0)

This is not a scoop and does not deserve a diary dedicated to it.


by americanincanada on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:14:43 PM EST

Clinton supporters seem loathe to discuss (2.00 / 1)

the fact that she will get next to no African-American votes if she gets the nomination. Clyburn is just saying what a lot of us are thinking.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:17:04 PM EST

Any competition is bad for The Anointed One (none / 0)

The path he travels to the coronation must be sprinkled with rose petals.


by observer5 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:20:07 PM EST

- Scoop! (none / 0)

I keep hearing that Hillary is going to make sure that Obama cannot win in Nov.

Nothing like setting up your excuses in advance.

The fact is that if Obama is the nominee and loses even half (14%) of the Hillary supporters in the GE it will be about impossible for him to win.

You know those 14%? Most of them don't read the internets. They oould care less if you call them names. Most could care less about the SCOTUS.

Many feel insulted by Obamas insistance that he will win by getting Rupublicans to vote for him, and that the voters of the past have been so bad that only the new voters are worth anything.

So just whine whine whine. Obama can't close the deal right now and its iffy if he can close the deal in Nov.


by J Rae on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:31:22 PM EST

Re: - Scoop! (none / 0)

She'll lose the African-American vote so she can't win either. Oh well. At least we'd have a right to be mad if she was the nominee.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:33:50 PM EST
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Re: - Scoop! (2.00 / 1)

True democrats will come home -- besides, he'll make up some of those by getting Independents which SHE CANNOT DO.


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by coonbug on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:48:41 PM EST
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Hillary is Hell-Bound To make Obama lose (none / 0)

I think Hillary should apply for the DNC chairwoman seat after this election that she will lose.

She doesn't like RULES (alot like Bush) -- so go for a real CHANGE HIllary - change the DNC rules....maybe then somebody unlike you - will abide by them.


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by coonbug on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:37:42 PM EST

How much did the Obama campaign pay him (none / 0)

to come out with that?  It's hard to believe that he would say that, especially in case Hillary gets the nomination.  He would be further splitting the Dem. party vote.


truthseeker2
by truthseeker2 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:47:45 PM EST

Re: How much did the Obama campaign pay him (2.00 / 1)

That is exactly why I don't think he is lying about what was said.

I think he's WARNING Hillary to COOL IT or lose HIM and many like him.


Coonsey's World http://coonsey.wordpress.com/
by coonbug on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:49:51 PM EST
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Re: How much did the Obama campaign pay him (none / 0)

lose him where? He is already lost. He is just a cantankerous old man who wants his candidate to get what he feels is entitled to him. Voters be damned.


by tarheel74 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:08:39 PM EST
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Note for Jim Clyburn (none / 0)

if you think Obama should be the candidate ask him to win it fair and square, instead of handing it to him on a platter as if it was his entitlement.
Seriously Clyburn now only divides the Democratic party. His sway is with the AA that overwhelmingly supports their candidate Obama, so anything more he says is of little or no consequence.
by tarheel74 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:07:21 PM EST


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